Aeromir Bots with APEX?

Started by Frank Dzaebel on Dec 16, 2025 at 4:48 PM
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Posted Dec 16, 2025 at 4:48 PM
Hello,

I now passed the first eval APEX account. - Thanks to the Aeromir bots.

I wonder if anyone trades the bots in an APEX PA account? The APEX rules mention that long and short trading at the same time is not allowed, also not with different symbols.

So, does anyone have experience with this on APEX?

Thank you.
Posted Dec 17, 2025 at 2:56 AM
Hi Frank

I Trade APEX and Bulenox with the Bots. Youre right, its not allowed to trade "Hedge" Models. Not even over different Accounts. So you DONT have to trade f. e. SHORT in the MES and LONG in the MNQ. That means, that you CAN NOT use the Bots for MNQ and MES at the same Propfirm. 

No Problems are CL, MGC and MES f. e. because they dont corellate...

So u can use at max 3 Bots on a Propfirm. Because sometimes MES and MNQ goes in different directions. 

Pro Tipp? I use ONLY Breakout Guardian for Propfirms with about 2-3 Micros on ES (MES). It takes some time but i have >20 Fundet accounts. Even you reach only 1000.- each month its more than enough and the Breakout Guardian is the most stable one.

​Today i received my 4th payout with Bulenox this way



Posted Dec 17, 2025 at 8:52 AM
Michael Bäuerle said:
Hi Frank

I Trade APEX and Bulenox with the Bots. Youre right, its not allowed to trade "Hedge" Models. Not even over different Accounts. So you DONT have to trade f. e. SHORT in the MES and LONG in the MNQ. That means, that you CAN NOT use the Bots for MNQ and MES at the same Propfirm. 

No Problems are CL, MGC and MES f. e. because they dont corellate...

So u can use at max 3 Bots on a Propfirm. Because sometimes MES and MNQ goes in different directions. 

Pro Tipp? I use ONLY Breakout Guardian for Propfirms with about 2-3 Micros on ES (MES). It takes some time but i have >20 Fundet accounts. Even you reach only 1000.- each month its more than enough and the Breakout Guardian is the most stable one.

Today i received my 4th payout with Bulenox this way



Michael,

Thanks for sharing this and Congrats on the successful payouts, I am still working toward funded approval. Regarding your Pro Tip?, can i ask why you have settled on only trading BG on your funded accounts? The logic and apparent backtest results appear to indicate that combining with CL, GC can limit drawdown and enhance results but it is more to manage. Thanks.
Posted Dec 17, 2025 at 9:01 AM
Hi Dan

I do this on my LIVE Accounts. But CL is still not able to CLOSE at the time i wish (closes at End of Day, but Props mostly dont allow, u have to close 1-2h before). And GC is a too big "drawdowner" for me and my Fundet Accounts. Thats why :)

Cheers Michael
Posted Dec 17, 2025 at 10:19 AM
Hi Michael,

thank you SO MUCH for your explanation and your PRO Tipp!

Best

Frank.
Posted Dec 18, 2025 at 6:27 PM
Hi Michael,
Thanks for your tips.
I too am slowly converting some evaluations to PA's. I have found I can run 4 contracts on MES Breakout Guardian which can move them along pretty quickly. I am also only running 2 MES on 50K funded accounts. 3 No. Apex + 3 No. Bulenox. I haven't got to first payout yet but am progressing nicely. I am definitley very happy with the high win rate of this algo.

Cheers Paul

Posted Dec 18, 2025 at 11:12 PM Edited
Michael Bäuerle said:
Hi Dan

I do this on my LIVE Accounts. But CL is still not able to CLOSE at the time i wish (closes at End of Day, but Props mostly dont allow, u have to close 1-2h before). And GC is a too big "drawdowner" for me and my Fundet Accounts. Thats why :)

Cheers Michael

You can configure this within NinjaTrader itself.

Control Center -> Settings -> Trading -> Auto Close Position... Maybe this will help.


You can also edit the strategy settings and change the exit on session close seconds. This is the number of seconds to have ?NinjaTrader automatically close any positions the strategy might have open at the end of the trading day. It's usually set to 30 seconds by default.
Posted Dec 19, 2025 at 12:59 AM
Hi Gary

Thx for advise. BUT - the EXIT on Session Close unfortunately also dont work. The Ninjatrader Exit would help, BUT this means also my LIVE Accounts will stop then and the Backtests show, that best results are working with Session end. So i will have the stop at Session end for my Live accounts. Only for the Props i dont want to :)

Cheers Michael
Posted Dec 19, 2025 at 8:12 AM
Michael Bäuerle said:
Hi Gary

Thx for advise. BUT - the EXIT on Session Close unfortunately also dont work. The Ninjatrader Exit would help, BUT this means also my LIVE Accounts will stop then and the Backtests show, that best results are working with Session end. So i will have the stop at Session end for my Live accounts. Only for the Props i dont want to :)

Cheers Michael

That all makes since. I was just trying to help :) 

Posted Dec 19, 2025 at 8:59 AM
I appreciate Gary :) many thanks for that

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